UG: a Unique Guy

Spiritual Ashes U G Krishnamurti, popularly called and known as UG by his admirers is no more, but in a sense he is “more” now in this world, such is the power and penetration of his words and wits that he has left and impacted on the trackless track of this world. It just catches “fire” and nothing less or more. Eventhough through rotten traditional lense UG appeared to be a Useless Guy, in a clean lense UG is forever a Unique Guy. As a humble admirer, at least I felt like expressing these words, not for praising UG, but just for my conviction, for that crazy UG doesn’t want people to remember and worship him both when he is alive as well as dead.

The contemporaries JK, Osho , and UG are unique in their own way in hammering this mad world. May the breed of these Unique Guys live more on this beautiful earth.

The links:
UG Obituary: Final Remembering
UG Swan Song

An Artistic Sketch of UG:

Ikuru's artistic conquest of UG! This is the art work ‘lovingly’ created by IKURU, who I understand, is an attached as well as detached remote admirer of UG too. Remote in the sense, he never had a chance to meet UG physically, only once he spoke with UG on phone, it seems. That reflects in this UG painting that he has created here. Ikuru always loves and adds more humors amidst the so called tumorous journey of our life. I would like to add a note that this ‘art piece’ is not hosted here in appreciation or ‘worshipping’ of UG, but rather as an appreciation of human expression of art and beauty. May long live our ‘heart and art’!

P Sulochanan
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994 Responses to UG: a Unique Guy

  1. ikuru says:

    …A puppet there infront of you, to keep the baby from crying. 😉

  2. Madhu says:

    JK in the end felt that he has already becom a part of the entertainment business like a football player.

    But it was too late for him to wind up everything.

    Yes, Life is fresh outside the teachings of UG or JK or someone else……

    While I read Ikuru, it reminded me the same sort of feelings I had after dabbling in JK’s teachings for nearly a decade. I had strong frustration towards everything what JK said.

    That frustration springing from me had more ‘life’ than the dead teachings!
    Teachings become a stranglehold after their magical effect in the initial stage is over. Sooner or later the teachings turn out be noose around your neck.

    I must also say that such stranglehold feeling I have not YET got with UG’s.

    May be becuase with UG, I am free ” to interpret, misinterpret, tailor, garble, claim ownership or own copy right” of what ever the stuff I have got from him.

    That sort of freedom he decalred for us keeps my relation with UG’s words afresh.

    I do not miss my “LIFE” that much with UG.

    I am enjoying my life fully. UG is no blockade.

    No door, either to open or close!

  3. Madhu says:

    I want to question every damn thing UG has said so far!

  4. Madhu says:

    *That is the expression of my admiration of UG!!

  5. sulochanosho says:

    Our life is neither Gurus, nor Anti-Gurus. If one finds some clue or cue there, it’s fine. We can live only in shadows as long as we don’t venture to stand on our own feet staring into our own eyes.

  6. Madhu says:

    “Living your life, is far more interesting than ANYTHING.”

    Nice statement from Ikuru.

  7. sulochanosho says:

    ‘Awareness’ is the answer to most of our perversions. But this is not a formula or law. Unfortunately we are not just ready to allow ‘awareness’ to arise in the dynamism of the being of our life for we dont want to part with our so called false toys and joys. ‘Awareness’ is never our borrowed or imposed knowledge or experience.

  8. Madhu says:

    JK’s Structured Peak Talks vs Sweet Songs:

    A sweet song has the capacity to replace teachings from millions of gurus already born and yet to be born.

    We think we are missing simple joys with too much of intellectual exercises.

    Joy is an important part of LIFE. When we miss the joy in our life we become bitter, negative and abusive.

    This came to mind today when one of my friends, who analysed JK and his teachings detailedly told me “JK spent most of his life in (structured) conversations but CONVERSATION BLOCKS DIVINE”

    Some how I liked his statement quite well. Yes, we are using and abusing our minds to get answers.

    So all the teachings and intellectual abstractions must be out and we must enjoy our daily chores including our job and relationships.

    So let us sing sweet songs and merry melodies rather than thinking, conversing, discussing, analyzing and indulging in all kinds of tedious and tiresome intellectual exercises.

  9. sulochanosho says:

    Essence is the Same:

    ” JK spent most of his life in (structured) conversations but CONVERSATION BLOCKS DIVINE” *

    This statement may be true, but then for a towering flower like JK it was just ought to be like that and nothing else. JK might have appeared like a tough intellectual stuff, but in fact it was a fine tuned fragrance of human intelligence and beauty of a kind. It’s simply unparallelled.

    To be frank and open, in my simple view I don’t find much difference between JK and UG, or even Osho as far as the ‘essence’ is considered. They did the same ‘hard hammering’ on the serene holy world of spirituality and hypocrisy, with a larger vision of awakening the man and woman there from the holy slumber.

    It’s understandable, the followers tend to claim their guy as supreme. Not only that these masters themselves indulge in claiming their superiority. But all these things may have a different good intention or a mere fun value. And the ESSENCE REMAINS THE SAME, whether it is UG or JK or Osho or many others.

  10. Madhu says:

    An interesting thing I have observed is, ‘what we think we can enjoy may not be what we can really enjoy’.

    Several years ago, when I was quite obsessed with the JK’s literature containing beautiful descriptions about silence, beauty of nature, sunsets and other titillating descriptions, I used to feel that one must live with such surroundings and be awakened to the nature and its beauty while being silent and watching.

    I fantasized a lot about such experiences. But when I had a chance to live in Rishi Valley(for few years) in the midst of greenery and beautiful surroundings, I actually never experienced any such blissful feelings of which I fantasized a lot while I was living in my home town.

    It is like any person who thinks great about living in ultra modern city like New York or California, may not actually enjoy or feel the same when he really lives there. He may infact feel more disgusted.

    We think or imagine that we can enjoy watching and experiencing the sunsets. But when we are actually before the sunset we may feel bored and would like to go home switch on the TV.

    I feel that we need not fantasize about watching sunsets, nature, birds and think that they are the real sources of happiness.

    We can enjoy a lot in our life with simple means like our daily chores such as toasting bread or making coffee or washing dishes or arranging the living room or helping the children in their home work or watching TV etc…

    We miss the simple sources of joy by our grand imaginations.

    That could be the main reason for our boredom and frustration.

  11. Etienne says:

    Madhu, I fully feel the same. Thoughts, our mind, block us from the suchness of every instant. If we could see through our mind, we would realize that every moment is worth the same, whether you are getting eaten alive by wolves in a cold night or lying comfortably on the beach watching the most breathtaking sunset ever with the ones you love. It is thus.

  12. Etienne says:

    Don’t you find that we torture to be able to ask ourselves all kind of questions concerning our existence, whereas we never get real answers because we are so ignorant?

  13. sulochanosho says:

    J Krishnamurti sang his song and gone

    “Friends, I should like you to make a living discovery, not a discovery induced by the description of others”.
    J Krishnamurti
    (Alpino, Italy, 1st Public Talk, July 1, 1933)

  14. sulochanosho says:

    J Krishnamurti on GURUs:

    What do you mean by a ‘guru’? Why do you need a guru?
    Whether you make me one or not, I am not making myself a guru to you. A follower is a curse. The follower is the destroyer, the follower is the exploiter.

    You can make me one, but I am not a guru. I do not want to be one for the simple reason that there is no path to truth. You can not discover the path, because there is no path. It is only to dead things that there can be a path. Truth being pathless, to discover it you must be adventurous, ready for danger, and do you think a guru will help you to be adventurous, to live in danger? To seek a guru obviously indicates that you are not adventurous, that you are merely seeking a path to reality as a means of security. So, you can make me guru if you wish, but it will be your misery, because there is no guru to truth, there is no leader to reality. That reality is an eternal being in the present, not in the future; it is in the immediate now, not in the ultimate tomorrow.

  15. Madhu says:

    He should have not started all those foundations in the first place.

    He had everything a typical GURU can have.

  16. Madhu says:

    Bangalore is littered with the hoardings with the pics of “Paramahamsa Nithyananda“.

    A new joker in the spiritual circus to entertain bored audience.

    He looked like a transexual on the bill board.

    • Cuke says:

      How did you able forecast so accurately. Considering the incident HAPPEND in bidadi

      • ugmadhu says:

        National Tragedy:
        Because he looked like a transversite on the billboard.

        Recently many of his victims revealed the secret (real) face of that god-man.

        Why CBI is not investigating the (s)exploitations by Nityananda??

        If he were doing the same in a country like China, he would have been executed publicly or sent to a Gulag and spent his life time there working as a labourer.

        It is our national tragedy that pimps like Nityananda have their business thriving throughout our country.

        Nirmal Baba is another crook swami.

  17. sulochanosho says:

    As long as we masses remain humble and holy in the grip of greed for liberation, nirvana and enlightenment, many many more classes like Paramhamsas, Nithyanandas, and Sri Sris are bound to emerge and flourish.

    I am not joking, many of these hybrid gurus found buying truck loads of Osho books and discourses, and have overnight become great gurus, even eyeing for Nobel Prize for their great noble global service rendered to the poor gullible masses. These recycled second hand gurus even do not have some small guts to mention the name of so called tainted sex-guru Osho, (not that Osho needs it!) for the simple reason that it’ll expose their hypocrisy and originality.

  18. sulochanosho says:

    This is one tiny example for what our borrowed religions and sermons can do:

    Now the whole world knows:

    Catholic Coloring Book Warns Kids of Pedophile Popes

    Yeah, this is a great idea, and it’s pretty damn sad that the entire world knows that the corrupt Catholic church (in the U.S. anyway) has systematically been raping little boys (and some girls) for decades now. Many in positions of power have known about this for decades as well, but had chosen to do nothing about it. Since victims have been stepping up, thousands of these scumbags who have been lurking inside churches and stanking up the pulpits have been defrocked, very few have been imprisoned and most of them get to wake up everyday and breathe GOD’s fresh air, bathe in his sunshine and eat the food he has put into the earth. Hopefully, you get exactly how I feel about these animals because if I have to continue I’m gonna end up saying stuff I’ll regret later.

    :sourced from the link:

    also read the same as news at: Link

  19. sulochanosho says:

    No Handle to Fondle:

    One punching uniqueness of UG teachings or unteachings is that he has left there no “handles” for the people to hang on or fondle it. Nobody can borrow it. Nobody can handle or mishandle it. Nobody can copy it. The recycled gurus can not enter and market it for it becomes suicidal for them.

  20. sulochanosho says:

    There Etienne raises an interesting point:
    “Don’t you find that we torture to be able to ask ourselves all kind of questions concerning our existence, whereas we never get real answers because we are so ignorant?”

    I rather felt it putting like this:

    We are ingnorant of living our LIFE here and now. Instead, we are aggressive and arrognant of knowing the unknowables. God alone knows for what!

  21. Etienne says:

    what do you mean by god, for me there’s only the universe, the kosmos.

  22. sulochanosho says:

    I too don’t know who’s this GOD! Probably, our striking friend Madhu may know HIM.

  23. Your questions sound good… but we’re not able to answer them… you’d submit them to Dalai Lama… But I respect all the point of view and I’ll link to your articles about this topic ;))

  24. Madhu says:

    GOD is your reflection !!!

  25. sulochanosho says:

    God is no where, but Life is now and here!

    God will be dead, the day you wake up!

    There is no God other than YOU!

  26. Madhu says:

    Paramhamsa Nithyananda’s Feelosophy and Tamasha: Prostitutes livelihood is Threatened

    Heal mind, Heal Body, Experience Bliss are the new seductive statements you can find on the bill boards of Nithyananda.

    Gurus like Nithyananda are trying to replace the prostitutes by selling themselves in the spiritual retail markets as the “Reliance Fresh” is doing for local vegetable vendors.

    The rights and the living of the prostitutes are threatened by these “Call Gurus”.

    sulochanosho adds:

    You may read a related comment on the other page of this site too and also you may watch a video clip of great sermons there.

  27. sulochanosho says:

    Enlightenment Shit:

    You may be enlightened sitting on your toilets, but never by doing the so called holy techniques of those ‘call Gurus’ or ‘false Gurus’.

  28. sulochanosho says:

    FRAUD and FREED:

    The day you realize that GOD is fraud, you will be FREED.

  29. sulochanosho says:

    Call Gals vs Call Gurus:

    Our call Girls may transform the lives of many people, but never our so called call Gurus can do that. That’s the hard reality.

  30. sulochanosho says:

    I thought of putting here UG’s words, in the context of the discussion going on here on Call Girls Vs. Call Gurus:

    ‘Prostitutes are the only people who deliver the goods’ and the ‘Holy business is the only business where you can get away without delivering any goods’.

    (The above quote of UG was sent in here by drvacharya, which is on the other page of this site.)

  31. ikuru says:

    “Any thing you find it as unnatural leads to frustration.”
    “GOD is your reflection !!!” – Madhu

    I say Amen to that. We seek the comfort of others.
    We want to impress them etc.
    We messure ourselves by others…
    And we want them to like us…

    But all we can see is our own reflection.

    We reflect ourselves our way of thinking on others

    We reflect our low selfesteem on others…

    If I feel recently that “I think nobody really likes me” then that will also be the case?

    I can not see beyond my own reflection most of the time.
    Or can I?

    We can however se the game of sex and atraction sometimes… but I am guessing even that is subjective..

    Mutual atraction is something else..
    Sex is life and god is your reflection.
    At the time beeing Im not so sure right now..

  32. ikuru says:

    You can never go beyond your own horizon, never see anything but your own horizon, and all you see is you, it is your own reflection how you expirience thoes others.
    Do you see more than that?
    is there ANYTHING objective in your expirience of the world? the people around you, can you here them? can they see you?

    how much is there that is objective?

    Imagine a person full of fear. can you reach this person? or will you always be a threat to this person no matter what you do?

    How much do this subjective filters color us or are these subjective filters the ONLY thing there is.

    Im going to bed.

    Good night.

  33. sulochanosho says:

    It’s all naked Biology, less Psychology:

    Now our scientists are at the verge of finding that ‘GAY GENE’, that can make you Gay and Homo. Hari Om!

  34. Madhu says:

    Genes constitute the “KARMA”.

  35. sulochanosho says:

    UG on GOD

    God or enlightenment is the ultimate pleasure, uninterrupted happiness. No such thing exists. Your wanting something that does not exist is the root of your problems. Transformation, moksha, liberation, and all that stuff, are just variations of the same theme: permanent happiness. The body can’t take uninterrupted pleasure for long; it would be destroyed. Wanting to impose a fictitious permanent state of happiness on the body is a serious neurological problem.
    –U.G.

  36. Madhu says:

    Gurus: Message/Massage Parlours

    Hunting for food and hunting for pleasure are two totally different and unrelated movements.

    But it is very very difficult and almost impossible for us to come out of the pleasure movement and all our actions are based on demand for pleasure in all possible forms (conceivable and inconceivable forms).

    Many gurus in the past and modern day gurus like SriSri and Nityananda are exploiting this human nature and starting “massage parlours ” to give pleasure by offering “massage for psyche” through their seductive and titillating words and strip teasing like teachings.

    Words are more effective than LSD or Brown Sugar!!

  37. sulochanosho says:

    Happiness is neither in the Brain, nor in the Brown Sugar, but in our Being.

  38. Madhu says:

    Masturbation vs Meditation:

    One striking point that UG makes about happiness or peace is that the organism which is functioning smoothly and is already in a peaceful state is not at all interested in our states of happiness, peace, bliss and joy.

    He also makes another point: The state of happiness or bliss or joy of which we are after is infact pain to the body and the body rejects such a sensation beyond its natural duration.

    He clears all the spiritual trash in one stroke!!

    The body takes meditation and masturbation
    as equally valid actions or sensations.

  39. Madhu says:

    There is neither positive action nor negative action. There is only “action”.

    Life is action.

  40. sulochanosho says:

    UG may be a Myth and Mind is the only Truth

    Year 2008! And at a time for me it appeared that there’s not much steam left to drag on the passed away current or force called UG. Of course, among UG friends and associates there it is very evident that they are now more in action and dynamism.

    Ikuru signalled it more than once here in the pages, when he said:

    You can never go beyond your own horizon, never see anything but your own horizon, and all you see is you, it is your own reflection how you expirience thoes others. or
    UG was in a way a nice escape too for me. or
    Living your life, is far more interesting than ANYTHING. or
    Get UG out of the way by doing what he said.

    UG told his people, ‘when I die, throw me on heaps of the debris and never remember me and with that all my words and things are dead and gone.’

    But exactly the opposite is happening. Human mind is mind, mind is mind, mind is mind – a million times. UG may be a myth, but never the mind. Rather mind is the only truth!

  41. sulochanosho says:

    Yes Madhu, Life is Action.

    All our so called glorified philosophies and euphorias can only drag or deviate the life. Life is just the spontaneous instant action – it doesn’t wait or care for anything. The so called sentiments and sanctity may many times turn to be the greatest impediments of our life.

  42. Madhu says:

    Mind vs Body

    Mind Projects,
    Body Rejects.

    sulochanosho adds:

    a good shot/quote, indeed!

  43. […] freshness. Why can’s U bring some freshness here in this room instead of blaming the place. ~  Madhu “A lot of people in business say they have twenty years experience, when in fact all the […]

  44. sulochanosho says:

    Thank you Sanjay for your penetrating eyes and appreciation. Just to randomly pick one of your sayings that inpsired me simply is:

    YES, Life does not depend on the knowing how we got here or what will happen after we are gone.
    Sanjay M

  45. ikuru says:

    did u read Siddhartha. by Hermann Hesse?

    If not, I think u should. Im not through it yet but it has an interesting take on things.

    sulochanosho adds:

    Thank u ikuru for the reminding.

    Download this book free: Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse

  46. ikuru says:

    But did You read it?

  47. sulochanosho says:

    Ikuru’s counter reminder, ‘Did you read it?’ prompted me to read the entire verse of Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse.

    Siddhartha’s life journey there took me too on a new journey. A wonderful journey of life, otherwise I would have missed. To sum up in bits and pieces:

    There’s nothing to learn. But to learn this, one has to learn, one has to make a churn and journey of so many sins, lusts, veils and evils. No escape from that. No teachings, no following of somebody’s wisdom can ever liberate or give salvation to you. You need to experience, literally every hair and pore, every nerve and curve of your body need to experience and arrive finally at the residue that is ‘you’, which can no more be reduced or deleted. That is you. You call it ‘atman’ or any holy-shit, it doesn’t matter.

    The man Siddhartha here undergoes different phases, turns, and experiences and finally arrives ‘home’. He is from a pious family background – inherited with all religious sermons and blessings and teachings. He ventures out to find that what it is.

    Traditional hard-core ‘sadhanas’ and renunciation, he observes. Leads a life of Samana. He is restless. His sadhanas: of fasting, waiting, thinking? His encounter with Goutama the Buddha. Siddhartha absconds and goes beyond Buddha. He Questions the very teachings of Buddha, even though he has immense respect for Buddha.

    He shuns Buddha and his friend Govinda. He prefers to learn from a whore called Kamala. He prefers to learn from a merchant called Kamaswamy. He prefers to learn from a ferryman. He prefers to learn from a flowing river and water. He finds stones are real and never the words.

    Some of the inspiring passages from this book picked randomly:

    ‘..What I’ve learned, being among the Samanas, up to this day, this, oh Govinda, I could have learned more quickly and by simpler means. In every tavern of that part of a town where the whorehouses are, my friend, among carters and gamblers I could have learned it…’

    ‘..What is meditation? What is leaving one’s body? What is fasting? What is holding one’s breath? It is fleeing from the self, it is a short escape of the agony of being a self, it is a short numbing of the senses against the pain and the pointlessness of life. The same escape,
    the same short numbing is what the driver of an ox-cart finds in the inn, drinking a few bowls of rice-wine or fermented coconut-milk…’

    ‘..We find comfort, we find numbness, we learn feats, to deceive others. But the most important thing, the path of paths, we will not find…’

    ‘..But his (Buddha) face and his walk, his quietly lowered glance, his quietly dangling hand and even every finger of his quietly dangling hand expressed peace, expressed perfection, did not search, did not imitate, breathed softly in an unwhithering calm, in an unwhithering light, an untouchable peace…’

    ‘..You have found salvation from death. It has come to you in the course of your own search, on your own path, through thoughts, through meditation, through realizations, through enlightenment. It has not come to you by means of teachings! And–thus is my thought, oh exalted one,–nobody will obtain salvation by means of teachings! You will not be able to convey and say to anybody, oh venerable one, in words and through teachings what has happened to you in the hour of enlightenment!..’

    ‘…He realized that one thing had left him, as a snake is left by its old skin, that one thing no longer existed in him, which had accompanied him throughout his youth and used to be a part of him: the wish to have teachers and to listen to teachings. He had also left the last teacher who had appeared on his path, even him, the highest and wisest teacher, the most holy one, Buddha, he had left him, had to part with him, was not able to accept his teachings…’

    ‘..In the night when he slept in the straw hut of a ferryman by the river, Siddhartha had a dream: Govinda was standing in front of him, dressed in the yellow robe of an ascetic. Sad was how Govinda looked like, sadly he asked: Why have you forsaken me? At this, he embraced
    Govinda, wrapped his arms around him, and as he was pulling him close to his chest and kissed him, it was not Govinda any more, but a woman, and a full breast popped out of the woman’s dress, at which Siddhartha lay and drank, sweetly and strongly tasted the milk from this breast.
    It tasted of woman and man, of sun and forest, of animal and flower, of every fruit, of every joyful desire…’

  48. sulochanosho says:

    Some more passages from the book, Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse:

    ‘..While talking, she put her left foot on his right one and made a movement as a woman does who would want to initiate that kind of sexual pleasure with a man, which the
    textbooks call “climbing a tree”. Siddhartha felt his blood heating up, and since in this moment he had to think of his dream again, he bend slightly down to the woman and kissed with his lips the brown nipple of her breast. Looking up, he saw her face smiling full of lust and her eyes, with contracted pupils, begging with desire…’

    ‘..Yes, I have marked your words,” Siddhartha exclaimed. “How should I not mark words which are coming from such a mouth! Your mouth is like a freshly cracked fig, Kamala. My mouth is red and fresh as well, it will be a suitable match for yours, you’ll see..’

    ‘..It is good,” he thought, “to get a taste of everything for oneself, which one needs to know. That lust for the world and riches do not belong to the good things, I have already learned as a child. I have known it for a long time, but I have experienced only now. And now I know it, don’t just know it in my memory, but in my eyes, in my heart, in my stomach. Good for me, to know this!..’

    ‘..Now Siddhartha also got some idea of why he had fought this self in vain as a Brahman, as a penitent. Too much knowledge had held him back, too many holy verses, too many sacrificial rules, to much self-castigation, so much doing and striving for that goal! Full of arrogance, he had been, always the smartest, always working the most, always one step ahead of all others, always the knowing and spiritual one, always the priest or wise one…’

    ‘..Now he saw it and saw that the secret voice had been right, that no teacher would ever have been able to bring about his salvation. Therefore, he had to go out into the world, lose himself to lust and power, to woman and money, had to become a merchant, a dice-gambler, a drinker, and a greedy person, until the priest and Samana in him was dead..’

    ‘..In all other respects, the worldly people were of equal rank to the wise men, were often far superior to them, just as animals too can, after all, in some moments, seem to be superior to humans in their tough, unrelenting performance of what is necessary ..’

    ‘..It was nothing but a readiness of the soul, an ability, a secret art, to think every moment, while living his life, the thought of oneness, to be able to feel and inhale the oneness. ..’

    ‘…Searching means: having a goal. But finding means: being free, being open, having no goal. You, oh venerable one, are perhaps indeed a searcher, because, striving for your goal, there are many things you don’t see, which are directly in front of your eyes. …’

    ‘…Look, my dear Govinda, this is one of my thoughts, which I have found: wisdom cannot be passed on. Wisdom which a wise man tries to pass on to someone always sounds like foolishness…’

    ‘…”I’m not kidding. I’m telling you what I’ve found. Knowledge can be conveyed, but not wisdom. It can be found, it can be lived, it is possible to be carried by it, miracles can be performed with it, but it cannot be expressed in words and taught. This was what I, even as a
    young man, sometimes suspected, what has driven me away from the teachers. I have found a thought, Govinda, which you’ll again regard as a joke or foolishness, but which is my best thought. It says: The opposite of every truth is just as true! …’

    ‘….No, within the sinner is now and today already the future Buddha, his future is already all there, you have to worship in him, in you, in everyone the Buddha which is coming into being, the possible, the hidden Buddha. …’

    ‘…I can love a stone, Govinda, and also a tree or a piece of bark. This are things, and things can be loved. But I cannot love words. Therefore, teachings are no good for me, they have no hardness, no softness, no colours, no edges, no smell, no taste, they have nothing but words…’

    ‘…To thoroughly understand the world, to explain it, to despise it, may be the thing great thinkers do. But I’m only interested in being able to love the world, not to despise it, not to hate it and me, to be able to look upon it and me and all beings with love and admiration and great respect. ….’

    ‘…How should he not know love, he, who has discovered all elements of human existence in their transitoriness, in their meaninglessness, and yet loved people thus much, to use a long, laborious life only to help them, to teach them! Even with him, even with your great teacher, I prefer the thing over the words, place more importance on his acts and life than on his speeches, more on the gestures of his hand than his opinions. Not in his speech, not in his
    thoughts, I see his greatness, only in his actions, in his life…’

    ‘…Never again, after our exalted Gotama has become one with the Nirvana, never since then have I met a person of whom I felt: this is a holy man! Only him, this Siddhartha, I have found to be like this. May his teachings be strange, may his words sound foolish; out of his gaze
    and his hand, his skin and his hair, out of every part of him shines a purity, shines a calmness, shines a cheerfulness and mildness and holiness, which I have seen in no other person since the final death of our exalted teacher. …’

  49. cafedog says:

    please delete this comment if i am annoying.
    I have read what some have read about gurus and teachers such as Osho and Krishnamurti.
    Phrases i have read such as “Osho existed before time”.
    and references to U.G.s inpenatrable mind. They are mortal men (when they spoke there words).
    I haven’t read this stuff here, but “Osho existed before time”, for example sounds very idolatry-like to my western ears.

    Could somebody explain these phrases, better? Make a better context?

    sulochanosho adds:

    cafedog raises there an interesting point. To be frank, I too do not have any specific answer on that. I only guess randomly that all our great thinkers, masters, creative or genius people, eventhough their feet are grounded on the same earth and soil, are in a way different from the common mass. There tend to happen some wanted or unwanted ‘glorifying’ act from their followers or otherwise on these genius or ‘attained’ people. Many times, some masters do tend to speak words that are quite ahead of their time. Some masters do tend to have a very ‘natural’ mind, which is quite unacceptable for our common ‘jumping and judging’ mind.

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