If Einstein Were Here Right Now, I Could Shut Him Up In One Minute

Einstein

“Chandrasekhar, please come here,” called U.G. leaning against the parapet wall on the terrace. I approached him quickly wondering what he might show me. U.G.’s attention was on the road. The branches of Valentine’s tree spread widely above us like an open umbrella. “Can you see the space between those branches and the vehicles passing on the road?” asked U.G.

“Yes, why not? No matter how bent the branches are, the eyes can see the space between them and the road behind them,” I replied.

“I cannot. All that seems like a two dimensional picture to me. My eyes can see everything in front, one thing after another, but they cannot see the space among them. There are no measurements such as length and breadth, let alone depth. I maintain that the physical eye cannot see the third dimension. Our minds interpret what we see as the third dimension, but the eyes don’t tell us that there is space. When the present-day scientists talk about the fourth dimension on top of the three dimensions, I feel like breaking their teeth. Where is that fourth dimension? I say that even the third dimension is a lie. If Einstein were here right now, I could shut him up in one minute,” U.G. said. With that my mouth closed shut.

The above excerpts are sourced from:
Stopped In Our Tracks
(2nd/3rd Series) Stories of U.G. In India from the Notebooks of K. Chandrasekhar Translated and Edited by J.S.R.L. Narayana Moorty
Read on Links:
(1) u-g-krishnamurti.blogspot
(2) newsgroups.derkeiler

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23 Responses to If Einstein Were Here Right Now, I Could Shut Him Up In One Minute

  1. kvenkatraman says:

    Hi

    I can continue the same argument to say even 2 D is lie and all that you see is just a virtual reality as interpreted by brain. either we extrapolate to n D or reduce it to none.
    This argument of UG seems to be purely a word play and he does excellent frame control in any interaction.

    I like UG for his humor, zen-like statements but felt fishy when he maintained that only he reached Natural State (paraphrasing Enlightenment) and all others Buddha , Ramakrishna and Ramana just had “experience”.
    UG became very cute as he grew old. Interesting personality with charisma. But nothing new , he had his own lingo.

  2. Madhu says:

    “I like UG for his humor, zen-like statements but felt fishy when he maintained that only he reached Natural State (paraphrasing Enlightenment) and all others Buddha , Ramakrishna and Ramana just had “experience”.

    You wanted to get entertained and you enjoyed by certain statements of UG. But when he threatens your very existence, you say that he is distasteful.

    Forget about UG’s statements !!!!!!!!

    It is good for you then.

    Have you touched “that” by the very being of UG, or JK or Ramana or Ramakrishna.

    “That” is not the result of intellectual exercise which we do by ripping apart the statements of UG or JK or Ramana and search for something in that dead flesh.

    If you want to to get entertained, then why UG?

    Go and watch Charlie Chaplin or Michael Jackson. They deliver better goods than UG.

    What is within that enigma called UG, perhaps we will never know as we are looking for something different.

  3. Madhu says:

    UG is like Mount Kailash. The ultimate reality.

  4. kvenkatraman says:

    Madhu

    You wanted to get entertained and you enjoyed by certain statements of UG. But when he threatens your very existence, you say that he is distasteful.

    REPLY : Do you think i have no right to criticize others or express my opinions of what i think on others .or you expect me to accept all (hero worship) or reject all , then its not a sign of a mature human.
    If i interact with a person , some aspect i may like and someother aspect i may disagree – that is the most honest way

    Forget about UG’s statements !!!!!!!!
    Go and watch Charlie Chaplin or Michael Jackson. They deliver better goods than UG.

    REPLY :why are you giving unasked personal entertainment advices ?It seems my opinion on UG’s statement has threatened your identity and it seems you have started worshiping UG ( disrespecting him by the way)

    Have you touched “that” by the very being of UG, or JK or Ramana or Ramakrishna.
    “That” is not the result of intellectual exercise which we do by ripping apart the statements of UG or JK or Ramana and search for something in that dead flesh.

    REPLY: I am not interested in “That” .we are biologically restricted to know/not-know “Unknown”. What ever comes out of “enlightened” or “great” man need not be correct. they to have a bias and human limitation.Old books say even thief get enlightened by “grace”.

    What is within that enigma called UG, perhaps we will never know as we are looking for something different.

    REPLY : Somebody called UG an enigma and we tend to repeat that.If a we start to worship somebody we may
    justify every act of that person.like this and there may be millions of counter arguments

    Oshoite : Osho encouraged sex because he wanted to get rid of repression from people
    JKite : JK concealed his affair with his best friend’s wife for Rosalind’s sake. He compromised his integrity for love’s sake.
    UGite : UG makes contradictory statement and called all other masters before him con-men and was dishonest acknowledging his “kundalini” experience, because he was an “enigma” , he is beyond our understanding
    [go to mental asylum and you may find much more intellectual enigmatic personality than UG ,posing challenges to psychiatrist and neuroscientists.UG is just socially acceptable]

    UG is like Mount Kailash. The ultimate reality
    REPLY : That is your belief. Followers of other masters also believe the same and they will rip you apart if you are weaker than them

    Belief :
    Ultimately we all believe.Believe that Ramana / Buddha / Ramakrishna / UG are masters, that they have touched “That”.UG believes that “natural state” is natural state of organism.
    Our mind can justify anything , rationalize anything ,get convinced of anything including “natural state” , “samadhi” , or “That”.

    let us express our opinions realizing that this world is but an opinion.

  5. Madhu says:

    What ever the statements I have given in my message are totally relevant to your rants in your previous mail.

    I am not interested in prolonging this by answering point by point to your statements.

    But I like your raving.

    The natural instincts are surfacing and unnatural thought processes are diminishing in you.

    My medicine worked !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  6. Madhu says:

    I can see the shiver in your spine on spelling the word UG.

  7. Madhu says:

    Whether you worship UG or dump him in the dumpyard, to me it is the same.

  8. Madhu says:

    “let us express our opinions realizing that this world is but an opinion.”

    Let me respond to this.

    Where did you lift it?????

  9. Madhu says:

    K Venkataraman:
    “Oshoite : Osho encouraged sex because he wanted to get rid of repression from people
    JKite : JK concealed his affair with his best friend’s wife for Rosalind’s sake. He compromised his integrity for love’s sake.
    UGite : UG makes contradictory statement and called all other masters before him con-men and was dishonest acknowledging his “kundalini” experience, because he was an “enigma” , he is beyond our understanding”

    Your selective amnesia missed few more names:

    Ramakrishna: He had homosexual tendencies and used to caress the penis of his disciples.

    Vivekananda: Visited brothel houses during his visit to Europe.

    Ramana: So called sanyasi who left his family in the name of renunciation ended up in constructing a temple for his mother and encouraged his disciples to perform daily pujas.

  10. kvenkatraman says:

    @Madhu

    chill chill….. comeback to your “natural state”

    “I am not interested in prolonging this by answering point by point to your statements”

    then you made 4 replies…..ha ha ha

    bye-bye UG follower

    ps :btw thx for reminding about rk/vk/ramana

  11. Madhu says:

    I did not want to give my “medicine” all at once to any “faint hearted entertainment seeker” like you.

    on ur statement “bye-bye UG follower”…..

    Thank you for calling me UG follower.

    How can I deny that fact.

  12. Madhu says:

    KVR: ps :btw thx for reminding about rk/vk/ramana

    I think ur blood boiled and blood pressure shot up to unreachable heights, when I commented on Ramana, Ramakrishna etc.

    Though you tried in vain to conceal your emotions by thanking me for those comments…

    Basically you want to carry the baggage containing corpses and skeletons and when someone like UG points that the entire garbage you are carrying is redundant, either you attack him as egotistic or you do make futile efforts to equate with what he was saying with the garbage which you are not dare enough to leave apart.

  13. mr potato boy says:

    and on and on, the dogs kept barking, protecting something that had never been there in the first place, and most certainly was not there now.

  14. Ikuru says:

    UG always spoke with Love.
    I miss that UG.

  15. sulochanosho says:

    The bitter or better part of UG ‘love’ is that it is often sharper than a sword; it cuts extremely and mercilessly.

  16. Anon says:

    I’m coming back to this site after more than a year. It’s nostalgic to see Madhu barking as usual. Makes me feel all warm inside.

  17. Madhu says:

    @mr potato boy,

    and on and on and on …, many lazy dogs joined the chorus of barking as they do not have teeth to bite.

  18. ashtavakra says:

    hi … can anyone here tell me what UG means when he says…”you have not seen anything..?”

  19. sulochanosho says:

    UG alone may know what UG means by ‘….’ We may only guess or say UG meant ‘this’ or ‘that’ and that is again going to be ‘our say’, not necessarily ‘what UG said or meant.’ Sounds strange.. But that’s the way to move on.

  20. Madhu says:

    @mr potato boy,

    First search for something to bite.

    Do not say “what is there to bite?”.

    You are not sure whether there is something to bite or there is nothing to bite.

    You are simply repeating by saying “what is there to bite?”.

  21. Rake says:

    One more “Guru” , a few more “followers” , nothing new under the sun..

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