Bodhidharma called Buddha a Barbarian

February 19, 2011

Thought is DeadIn the book, ‘Thought is Dead: Moving Beyond Spiritual Materialism’, we find some rare startling ‘fires’ of UG Krishnamurti, in full swing. Some selected excerpts from this book are reproduced here:

Spiritual Greed:

Greed. You preach against greed. I’m sorry to point out this to you, because you give discourses on how to be free from greed. Are you free from greed? No. Do you want to be free from greed?

Q: No [Laughter]

Hi UG!UG: No. Why the hell are you asking to begin with? I am sorry to spotlight you and put you in that spotlight. So you tell me. I don’t know if there is such thing as greed. If there is a greed it is operating here in this moment in you. I don’t like to use that word bastard, but you are the greediest bastard in this moment. I am using this only to drive it home for you. So you think that I have ‘something’, which you want. If there is money you can rob a bank and take the money. There is something there. But here, it is your ‘assumption’ that I have something, that I am functioning differently, that I am this, that and the other. You want to be like me. If that is not greed, what else is it? She is laughing.

Q: She knows I’m greedy. [Laughter]

UG: When are you going to be free from greed? When are you going to say, “I’m
greediest man”? Right? When are you going to be free from greed? When? Tell me.

Q: Tomorrow.

UG: It is in operation here. The solution for the greed, if at all you are interested in freeing yourself from greed, is to allow that greed to fill the whole of your being. Every cell in your body, everything in that body should vibrate with that greed. By wanting to be free from greed, for whatever reason you want to be free from greed, you are destroying the possibility of freeing yourself from greed. Through greed you’ll be free from greed. Are you ready to accept it? It is the selfishness that will free you from selfishness, and not the preaching or practice of selfishness.

Spiritual Conmen:

UG: Those Zen bastards! They institutionalized meditation. Jokers! I was never attracted to Zen masters. Never! Because they were all the followers of Buddha and what Buddhism tried to preach to the world. So reject it. You all are them! They institutionalized the whole thing. They invented the techniques of meditation.

Q: The Hindus say that the Upanishads are much superior.

UG: Who? They have to because they are Indian.

Q: At least the Upanishads have not institutionalized those things.

UG: They created these metaphysics, the intellectuals. And what you find in Upanishads is not the people whom they are talking about, but the aspirations of those people who ‘want’ to be that state. That’s why Buddha had too much intellectual nonsense. That fellow didn’t have the guts, sir, to go to the end. And when he had this experience he said, as long as there is a single soul imprisoned in the veil of illusion I refuse to enter the gates of Nirvana. He never entered the gates of Nirvana – he refused for the sake of mankind; like the politicians talking of mankind, humanity, you know? And then for the first time in the history of mankind he introduced the element of conversion, proselytization. He created a sangha- he moved from place to place, followed by all these people, and he wouldn’t allow women to join his order for a long time. There were a lot of protestations. Finally he relented and admitted them also. Then came along – this is my reading of history, take it or leave it – an Ashoka, the King, and he used that as an instrument of power, very forcibly in this country. But then Jainism spread in the South, not Buddhism. That’s why you have so many Jain temples. The place where I grew up is called “the place of temples”. Not Buddhist temples, but Jain monasteries. A lot of prostitutes lived there, along with of course…they go together: prostitutes and spiritual teachers. It is not a religion.

Q: But what is the story that he refused to enter paradise?

UG: Who?

Q: Buddha.

UG: BuddhaHe didn’t have the guts. He stopped with some pretty little mystical experience, like anybody else. Like all these gurus you have in the market place. Even Ramana Maharishi stopped there. All of them. That prevents the possibility of these people coming out with something original. So they have to rely upon the authority of the scriptures, and then they interpret. How can a fellow that has written four volumes talk of enlightenment? Tell me. And claim that he is an enlightened man? He cannot do that. It’s a sales speech. They sell that stuff to the poor people. There is authority for them. The filthy word using – enlightenment. Sorry, sir.

Q: Buddha had authority?

UG: No, no, not at all. It was all political, the man, the King Ashoka. Otherwise, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam would have remained small cults. They became the instruments of power. They forced…of course, they didn’t use violence here in this country, but when Buddhism spread to Japan, particularly, the monasteries maintained armies – trained armies – and supplied them to the rival kings. That’s a trait of holiness. Sanyasins never existed in India. It is difficult to understand because you are all sanyasins. [Laughter]. Because you’ve made a business out of that.

Q: Do you say that Buddha is not at all original?

UG: Not at all. He pretended like J. Krishnamurti – original – by not using any authority that existed before. Because that is what the Upanishads said: it is an authority of its own, so I am “pramanya”, I think. Why should I quote that nonsense? I must wash my mouth. [Laughter]

Q: Buddha is very original.

UG: It is all intellectual nonsense. Not original, all saints do that, what did he do? No, sir. The monasteries supplied armies to the rival kings. The founder of Zen, the first fellow who went there, Bodhidharma, called Buddha a barbarian, and said that Buddhist teachings are nothing but toilet paper. He had the guts to say that in the 7th century! He is quoted there.

Q: The emperor asked him, what is the holy teaching of the Buddha? And he said, no holiness, just…

UG: Kill him, he said. If you meet Buddha kill him. Well, anyway, why do you need a Buddha? It’s the same as Christianity, the conversion – with violence! You may say Buddhism is not violent – Indians are cowards. You swallow anything! Hinduism is not a religion at all like Judaism. It’s social, political, economic, a lot of things put together. It’s just a way of life and way of thinking, nothing else. That is culture. It is not art, beauty, poetry, music – that is not culture. So that is part of your thinking. You think that you are superior to me because you are a swami. What have you renounced? You have not renounced anything. And the second thing is, they pick up a new job, a new language, use that and feel great.T that’s all. Use those words, Krishnamurti lingo.

“A truly religious person does not want anything for himself [laughter], but it is the responsibility of you all [laughter] to see that my teaching is ‘the’ teaching, and should be preserved for posterity in its pristine purity. So give liberally to my cause.” [Laughter]

Q: He uttered that?

UG: Sure, he said “cause”. You see, he was brought up in poor conditions. He didn’t have everything in his life. Here it is the other way around. Buddha was born a king. Anything I wanted I could have had. Anything, anything in the world, I has as a matter of fact, everything that one could reasonably ask for. If I wanted to buy a Rolls-Royce car, just in a jiffy…by writing a check on the Imperial Bank of India I could buy, so you see. Money was not, in that sense, a primary preoccupation. That is not my interest. See, I knew how you could make money. If I decided myself to money I would have been the world’s richest man – world’s richest! All the billionaires in America would be insignificant. That was not my interest. My only interest was to be certain that Buddha was a conman. These people around you, the claimants, are not really the genuine people. There is a dichotomy in their lives – what they said and what…

Some More Excerpts:

The fact of the matter is that when once you have everything that you can reasonably ask for in this world, when all the material needs are taken care of naturally the question arises, “Is that all?” And once you pose that question to yourself – “Is that all?” – a tremendous market for this kind of a business is created: a holy business. And they are exploiting the gullibility and credibility of people, not helping them to resolve the basic problem, the human problem. So you don’t want to be a normal person, you don’t want to be an ordinary person. That is really the problem. It’s the most difficult thing is to be an ordinary person. Culture demands that you must be something other than what you are. That has set in momentum this tremendous, powerful movement of thought which demands that you should be something other than what you are.

Every gland in my body, every cell in my body, has undergone a radical mutation. Why do I use the word mutation? Because I can’t think of a more appropriate word. Every gland has undergone a transformation because it seems to be functioning in a different way. The brain waves are incredible, and I would very much like to have the opportunity to use a brain wave machine. The electricity that goes out of my body is tremendous since there is no point inside of me. There is no space for me at all. Then it expands. The electricity that is generated in this body goes to the end of the universe, affecting the whole thing. When I come out of this state, whatever you call it, the whole body is filled with peace. It’s some kind of a substance like a white substance. The whole body is filled with this white substance. You can look at it and it shines like a phosphoresce. It’s the whole body.

 

About the Book:
‘Thought Is Dead’ is a unique selection of mostly unpublished and rare transcripts of U.G. Krishnamurti in dialogue, including a particularly rare discussion with renowned physicist David Bohm. U.G. explains how our desire for spiritual enlightenment is a greed, like any other, and that we are operating as a complex set of machinery. In addition U.G. details, in a step-by-step account, the mysterious process by which his consciousness underwent a complete transformation.
About the Author:
Uppaluri Gopala Krishnamurti (July 9, 1918 – March 22, 2007), known as U.G. Krishnamurti, or just U.G., was an Indian sage who spoke of his enlightenment openly. Although necessary for day to day functioning of the individual, in terms of the Ultimate Reality or Truth he rejected the very basis of thought and in doing so negated all systems of thought and knowledge in reference to It.
Book Details:
Thought is Dead: Moving Beyond Spiritual Materialism
By UG Krishnamurti
Paperback: 180 pages
Publisher: CreateSpace (July 31, 2010)
Language: English
ISBN-10: 1453709371
ISBN-13: 978-1453709375
This Book’s Link on Amazon

 

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Foes are Friends too: Osho’s Tribute to J. Krishnamurti

May 18, 2010

The beauty or the freedom with the masters is that two masters may never agree with each other and instead they indulge and enjoy the ‘game’ of abusing each other profusely. It is to be construed more as a ‘joyous play’, less as a ‘serious play’. It also happened among Osho, J. Krishnamurti, and U.G. Krishnamurti – a classic case here.

In the following excerpts, Osho speaks on the peak of J. Krishnamurti (11 May 1895 – 17 February 1986):

Death of the mystic, J. Krishnamurti,
Osho’s tribute

J. Krishnamurti died last Monday (17 February 1986), In Ojai, California. In the past you have spoken of him as another enlightened being. Would you please comment on his death?

The death of an enlightened Jiddu Krishnamurtibeing like J. Krishnamurti is nothing to be sad about, it is something to be celebrated with songs and dances. It is a moment of rejoicing. His death is not a death. He knows his immortality. His death is only the death of the body. But J. Krishnamurti will go on living in the universal consciousness, Forever and forever.

Just three days before J. Krishnamurti died, one of my friends was with him; and he reported to me that his words to him were very strange. Krishnamurti was very sad and he simply said one thing: “I have wasted my life. People were listening to me as if I am an entertainment.” The mystic is a revolution; he is not entertainment.

If you hear him, if you allow him, if you open your doors to him, he is pure fire. He will burn all that is rubbish in you, all that is old in you, and he will purify you into a new human being. It is risky to allow fire into your being—rather than opening the doors, you immediately close all the doors.

But entertainment is another thing. It does not change you. It does not make you more conscious; on the contrary, it helps you to remain unconscious for two, three hours, so that you can forget all your worries, concerns, anxieties—so that you can get lost in the entertainment. You can note it: as man has passed through the centuries, he has managed to create more and more entertainments, because he needs more and more to be unconscious. He is afraid of being conscious, because being conscious means to go through a metamorphosis.

I was more shocked by the news than by the death. A man like J. Krishnamurti dies, and the papers don’t have space to devote to that man who for ninety years continuously has been helping humanity to be more intelligent, to be more mature. Nobody has worked so hard and so long. Just a small news article, unnoticeable—and if a politician sneezes it makes headlines.

What is your connection with Krishnamurti?

It is a real mystery. I have loved him since I have known him, and he has been very loving towards me. But we have never met; hence the relationship, the connection is Something beyond words. We have not seen each other ever, but yet…perhaps we have been the two persons closest to each other in the whole world. We had a tremendous communion that needs no language, that need not be of physical presence…. You are asking me about my connection with him. It was the deepest possible connection—which needs no physical contact, which needs no linguistic communication. Not only that, once in a while I used to criticize him, he used to criticize me, and we enjoyed each other’s criticism—knowing perfectly well that the other does not mean it. Now that he is dead, I will miss him because I will not be able to criticize him; it won’t be right. It was such a joy to criticize him. He was the most intelligent man of this century, but he was not understood by people.

He has died, and it seems the world goes on its way without even looking back for a single moment that the most intelligent man is no longer there. It will be difficult to find that Jiddu Krishnamurtisharpness and that intelligence again in centuries. But people are such sleep walkers, they have not taken much note. In newspapers, just in small corners where nobody reads, his death is declared. And it seems that a ninety-year-old man who has been continuously speaking for almost seventy years, moving around the world, trying to help people to get unconditioned, trying to help people to become free—nobody seems even to pay a tribute to the man who has worked the hardest in the whole of history for man's freedom, for man's dignity.

I don’t feel sorry for his death. His death is beautiful; he has attained all that life is capable to give. But I certainly feel sorry for the whole world. It goes on missing its greatest flights of consciousnesses, its highest peaks, its brightest stars. It is too much concerned with trivia.

I feel such a deep affinity with Krishnamurti that even to talk of connection is not right; connection is possible only between two things which are separate. I feel almost a oneness with him. In spite of all his criticisms, in spite of all my criticisms—which were just joking with the old man, provoking the old man…and he was very easily provoked…. Krishnamurti’s teaching is beautiful, but too serious. And my experience and feeling is that his seventy years went to waste because he was serious. So only people who were long-faced and miserable and serious types collected around him; he was a collector of corpses, and as he became older, those corpses also became older.

I know people who have been listening to him for almost their whole lives; they are as old as he himself was. They are still alive. I know one woman who is ninety-five, and I know many other people. One thing I have seen in all of them, which is common, is that they are too serious.

Life needs a little playfulness, a little humor, a little laughter.

Only on that point am I in absolute disagreement with him; otherwise, he was a genius. He has penetrated as deeply as possible into every dimension of man’s spirituality, but it is all like a desert, tiring. I would like you back in the garden of Eden, innocent, not serious, but like small children playing. This whole existence is playful. This whole existence is full of humor; you just need the sense of humor and you will be surprised…. Existence is hilarious. Everything is in a dancing mood, you just have to be in the same mood to understand it.

I am not sorry that J. Krishnamurti is dead; there was nothing more for him to attain. I am sorry that his teaching did not reach the human heart because it was too dry, juiceless, with no humor, no laughter.

But you will be surprised to know—whatever he was saying was against religions, was against politics, was against the status quo, was against the whole past, yet nobody was condemning him for the simple reason that he was ineffective. There was no reason to take note of him….

Krishnamurti failed because he could not touch the human heart; he could only reach the human head. The heart needs some different approaches. This is where I have differed with him all my life: unless the human heart is reached, you can go on repeating parrot-like, beautiful words—they don’t mean anything. Whatever Krishnamurti was saying is true, but he could not manage to relate it to your heart. In other words, what I am saying is that J. Krishnamurti was a great philosopher but he could not become a master. He could not help people, prepare people for a new life, a new orientation.

But still I love him, because amongst the philosophers he comes the closest to the mystic way of life. He himself avoided the mystic way, bypassed it, and that is the reason for his failure. But he is the only one amongst the modern contemporary thinkers who comes very close, almost on the boundary line of mysticism, and stops there. Perhaps he’s afraid that if he talks about mysticism people will start falling into old patterns, old traditions, old philosophies of mysticism. That fear prevents him from entering. But that fear also prevents other people from entering into the mysteries of life….

I have met thousands of Krishnamurti people—because anybody who has been interested in Krishnamurti sooner or later is bound to find his way towards me, because where Krishnamurti leaves them, I can take their hand and lead them into the innermost shrine of truth. You can say Oshomy connection with Krishnamurti is that Krishnamurti has prepared the ground for me. He has prepared people intellectually for me; now it is my work to take those people deeper than itellect, to the heart; and deeper than the heart, to the being.

Our work is one. Krishnamurti is dead, but his work will not be dead until I am dead. His work will continue.

The above excerpts are sourced and reproduced from the [link].

Some Links:
(1) An Overview of Krishnamurti’s Life and Work
(2) The Core of the Teachings
(3) Jiddu Krishnamurti [on Wikipedia]


The Best of UG

March 27, 2010

In the height and heat of his flared up conversations with people around him, UG suddenly breaks a pause by waking up Robert Carr, calling him, ‘Bob, come on!’ UG’s pausing or High Moments of UG Gathering: [PhotoAlbum] (Bangalore 22 Mar 2010)balming bell in Bob on the Best of UG DVDbetween his heated conversations with people around was his favourite call: ‘Bob!’ Yes, the other day (on 22 Mar 2010) the admirers and friends of UG from India and other parts of the world gathered at Chandrasekhar’s residence or rather ‘UG place’, in Bangalore. There I glanced at this guy – this Bob (Robert Carr) is really a ‘live bomb’, still living or looking like a 16 or 17 even in his 70s or more – one of the closest associates of UG from the US, now happily batting or living in Mumbai, it seems. At last Bob (Robert Carr) has paid a rich tribute to his ‘barking master’ by bringing out a DVD that contains mind-shattering conversations with UG Krishnamurti, which got released on this occasion with much applause.

Bob and Julie - reminiscing UGSuguna and Chandrsekhar: to serve UGMahesh Bhatt and Dr Guha: Urgent Call

22 March 2010 BangaloreDr Guha and Mahesh BhattMind is a Myth (German edition)

Guha - Julie-Pushpa - DineshKamal Grover: Guru Stuti

About this DVD:
Title:
The Best of UG
Description:
‘This DVD contains mind-shattering conversations with UG Krishanmurti.’

In 1995, UG spoke with a variety of spiritual seekers, self-styled gurus, teachers and just ordinary people from all over the world. The collection of nineteen interviews presented in this DVD offers the viewer a unique look into UG’s insights into life and living. They have been edited in Mumbai, India in 2009.

And a UG quote:
‘Thought is the self-protecting and fascist in nature, and it will use every trick under the sun to give momentum to its own continuity. Thought controls, moulds and shapes our ideas and actions. Thought is not the instrument to help us live in harmony with life around us. That is why we create all these ecological problems such as pollution, possibly destroying ourselves with the destructive weapons that we have invented.’

Acknowledgements:
Over the past twenty years, several persons have worked selflessly and silently to record UG’s conversations with people in different parts of the world. I wish to thank the following friends: The Late Terry New Land, Raj Mehta, Julie Thayer, Andy Neddermeyer, Narayana Moorty, Kunal Sharma, Abhishek Sharma, Ghanashyam (Sam), Mahesh Bhatt and Paul Arms for their help in this production. The recording sessions were unrehearsed and spontaneous, resulting in a reflection of UG’s natural state.

Produced and directed by Robert Carr
Editing and video enhancement by Abhishek Sharma

Exclusively Manufactured, Marketed and Distributed by Mandar Productions, A-805 Oberai Park View, Thakur Village, Kandiwal (East), Mumbai – 400101
Visit: http://bestofug.com
*This DVD video is also now available on face book there:Watch Best of UG DVD

A new book titled Stopped in our Tracks – Second Series by K Chandrasekhar also got released on this occasion.

About the Book:
Title: Stopped in our Tracks – Second Series
(UG – Anecdotes, Comments and Reflections)

From the Notebooks of K. Chandrasekhar
Translated from the Telugu by
J.S.R.L. Narayanamoorty
Publisher:
The Firsthand Publications
Bangalore (India)
bali@firsthand189.com

Mahesh Bhatt’s ‘foreword’ to this book:

Whether it is happy or unhappy, hopeful or devastating, the ending brings the story to what it itself is … the inevitable, the complete end.

K. Chandrasekhar: Lost in Our Tracks, 2nd seriesOn a quiet afternoon of March 14, 2007, in Vallecrosia, a quaint town in Italy, on the coast of the Mediterranean, Babu Chandrsekhar’s guiding light and the love of life, UG Krishnamurti, shouted out an order, “Leave now and get on with your life,’ said the light. “I want to die the way I lived … all alone, with no one looking over me.”

Babu Chndrasekhar was devastated, but he has also sensed that the end was near. Thus, he began the process of wrenching himself away from his own heartbet. He prepared himself to break away from someone with whom he had spent more than three intense decades of his life, and who was not only the basis of his very existence but was also enshrined in his heart.

I still remember vivdly what Babu did after hearing UG’s command. He broke into Sanskrit shlokas, sat down at UG’s feet. Then touchng his feet, Babu prostrated his entire being before him as only a true devotee or lover would do. When he got up he looked closely at UG as if he were absorbing him completely in that one long look. Then turning his heel, Babu left the room where his master lived, never to return again.

As I led Babu out of the villa, where UG spent his last days, I can clerly recall the words I spoke to him, “This is death Babu, the end of your love story …” but little did I know that a love story like theirs never ends. I am not sure why, but whenever I think of the love story of Babu and UG I am reminded of Abu Bakr and Prophet Mohammed.

The story goes that when Abu Bakr saw the Prophet of God lying dead, he uncovered the mantle of the Yamani cloth that covered the Prophet’s face and, kissing his forehead, said, “You are dearer than my father and mother. You have tasted the death which God had decreed, but oh Mohammed, a second death will never overtake you. You will never die again.” And how right he was, because the emptiness which was created in the life of Abu Bakr with the passing away of his Master, could only be filled with the evangelistic fervour with which he went about spreading his word.

Chandrasekhar reads out from his book, Lost in our Tracks, 2ndStopped In Our Tracks, Series Two, originates from the same impulse. In this fascinating document, K Chandrasekhar has spun honey out of his encounters with UG. Whenever he was overwhelmed with UG’s crazy wisdom or became shattered by his own sheer subversive behaviour, he documented it in a diary, which he has now generously made available to all of us. Indeed, this book to savour and read over and over again, because it is from the heart of a man who has bent low enough to hear the voice of his God.

Also the following new books have been released on this occasion:

(1) A Book on UG in Bengali by Dr Guha, a close associate of UG.
(2) Hindi version book of Mahesh Bhatt’s ‘A Taste of Life’
(3) Another book got released on this occasion: ‘Self Realization: With Special Reference to UG’ by Mr. Satya Simha*. [Note:* The late Satya Simha had in fact been doing the Ph.D. on UG from Mysore University, and had worked half way till his (Satya Simha) untimely death that happened in 2008; so the present book is the outcome of the works he had done in this regard, not necessarily the completed work, and is brought posthumously.]
(4) The German Book of UG’s ‘Mind is A Myth’, tranaslated by Daniel (Note: A copy of this new book was sent all the way from Germany to K. Chandrasekhar just to get released on this unique occasion.)

Biology of Enlightenment:

Mukunda Rao with UG, but UG was not in that body!Another interesting happening is that Mukunda Rao has taken great pains and drilling works to dig into the tapes of UG conversations (of 90 plus hours duration altogether) that were for decades remained stranded or locked up with some UG friends. Now the tapes got unlocked and thanks to Mr. K. Chandrasekhar’s concern and siren, Mukunda Rao has successfully completed the ‘transcription’ work of these rare UG tapes recorded some where down the lines and the recorded words of UG in those tapes have gone into a metamorphic process in the unbiased scholastic hands of Mukunda Rao and soon the resultant book titled, ‘The Biology of Enlightenment’ may hit the lights of the world now. May more and more UG ghosts haunt the world there!

Thanks to Mrs. Suguna and Mr Chandrasekhar – they never stop or feel tired of spreading the ‘fragrance’ they received from the very ‘monster mouth’ of that God.


UG: ‘Never Make Me A Religious Man’

March 24, 2010

The last thing UG wanted to happen is: creating a ‘religious UG’. He bombarded, he begged even in his death bed that‘Your body is interested only in two things – survival and fucking (procreation), and the rest is your culture shit or accumulated knowledge shit.’
-UG
 he should never be painted with any ‘religious shits’. UG lived it, UG stood for it even in the face of his death. Undo GodIn an otherwise sense of paradox, UG stands rather, for ‘Useless Guy’ as well as ‘Undoing God’. The essence of UG is as simple as that. UG always used to blast the whole deceptions of ‘religions and A sage is like a raging fire that burns everything and it knows not what is god or good or bad, and the ‘life’ stands there untouched and naked, roaring with all force.sermons’ with one sarcastic but very true line: ‘your body is interested only in two things – survival and fucking (procreation), and the rest is your culture shit or accumulated knowledge shit.’ There may be a pool of a bunch of scholastic twisters or a simple bunch of religious soldiers to relate and collate UG with / to Vedanta and such other holy religious ghosts – but UG never fits there and again it is an act of creating a ‘holy persona’ of UG, which the world has been doing from generation to generation. Hope, it should never happen with UG. UG always stands there naked. No one has a right to paint him. Naked UG is more beautiful than a painted UG.

A sage is like a raging fire that burns everything and it knows not what is god or good or bad, and finally or firstly Naked UG is more beautiful than a painted UG.the ‘life’ stands there “I am blocking every escape. Each outlet has to be blocked to put you in a corner. You must be choked to death, as it were. Only a real teacher can find that out and tell you, nobody else. Not those people who interpret the texts; all that is totally unrelated. Only such a man can talk. And such a man never encourages you because he knows that if this kind of thing has to happen to somebody, that person will not need the help of anybody. In spite of everything it will happen.”
– UG
untouched and naked, roaring with all force. UG never fits into any ‘descriptions’. UG is neither a theist nor an atheist. UG never fits into any labels or frames, rather he is an undefined flame. Even if we paint UG, a ghost of the species of UG is bound to create more havoc and holocaust there from that frame. UG is just UG. May the naked UG remain there to be watched by the generations to come. If it is not possible to ‘destroy’ or ‘demolish’ UG, the least and best thing to do is to keep the ‘naked’ UG there, not the painted one.


“God is in the Vagina” – Sri Ramakrishna

February 23, 2010

Sri Ramakrishna PramahmsaSri Ramakrishna Paramahamsa (1836 – 1886) is considered as one of the most respected spiritual masters of the modern time in India. The story or saying is that he attained the highest ‘nirvikalpa samadhi’, state. He empowered Swami Vivekananda as his most powerful disciple in the 20th century. He experienced ‘trances’ at the age of six. He was born to a poor but pious family in a village in Bengal, India. He never bothered to learn even to write his name, such an implicit ‘illiterate’ he was. Ducked and bunked the ordeals of school learning. He was a true ‘rebel’, but still remained rooted in the tradition of the soil and time. He took over the priesthood profession for his livelihood to worship Goddess Kali. He revolted against the senseless caste and class discriminations, in his own ways. He was initiated to other religions also – Islam, and Christianity. He has no qualms about the religions. Initially he was initiated into ‘tantra’ tradition by Bhairavi Brahmani, an orange-robed, middle-aged female ascetic; later on initiated into non-dual meditation and Vedanta. This is the briefest description that is given here just as a reminder about his holy personality.

Sri Ramakrishna was also known as a ‘tantrik’; he worshiped even his wife Sarada as Goddess. It is not unknown that many a class spiritual masters go eccentric and erratic (or erotic or mystic?) in their utterances, gestures and teachings. It is told that Ramakrishna used the most rustic, colloquial, classic, gross Bengali language to communicate or abuse with his disciples and people – in the larger mission of spreading the spiritual consciousness. He often used filthy, sexy words to convey the message of clarity. These masters or mystics often reveal ‘Vedanta’ in the very ‘vagina’, so to speak. They know not what is holy or unholy. It’s the middle class mortals and minds that drum beat and blow the siren of morals and holiness; and our Gurus make good ‘harvest’ out of it. Otherwise, God knows no bounds of morals or sermons. It seems, the morals are for the mortals, never for the immortal ones.

The teachings of Ramakrishna are preserved in the work called ‘Sri-Sri-Ramakrisna-Kathamrta’ compiled in Bengali by his house-holder devotee, Mahendranath Gupta. This book is more realistic and less filtered, it seems. But the English translation of this book was never a true translation or rather the translation was made to depict the Personality Ramakrishna as an ‘avatar’ and ‘holy’ person; or rather it was impossible to translate the ‘original’ as it is due to the best kept reasons or impulses.

All the above paragraphs I scribbled just after incidentally reading a passage from the book, ‘Stopped in Our Tracks’ (third series, on UG) originally compiled in Telugu by K. Chandrasekhar, a close long associate of UG, (translated in English by Narayana Moorty). There may be several scholarly great books available on UG, but my favorite passion is always, Chandrasekhar’s ‘Lost in Our Tracks’ (First series ; Second series ; and Third series), an informal inner circle open chit-chat or tidbits on UG and in UG’s own informal spontaneous words too. Many instant diamonds of wisdoms we may strike there in the jungle of informal UG journey in these books (first, second, and third series).

The random passage I got in this book (‘Lost in our Tracks: third series’) reads:

“God is in the Vagina” – Sri Ramakrishna

The other day, Guha was reading the Bengali original of Sri Ramakrishna Bodhamrtam, translating it into English for us. “I will remove all my clothes and dance before the women; what do you care about it?” Sri Ramakrishna had scolded one of his disciples. Guha continued, “God is in the vagina. God lets me see him in the copulation of two dogs.” Ramakrishna had used much more obscene and vulgar language [than this] in his conversations. But Nikhilananda, in translating, had corrected all that, changing it so that people would be presented with the image of a holy man to hold in their minds.

And another passage I happened to get from Chandrasekhar’s ‘Stopped in Our Tracks’ (first series) reads:

“The source for both God and sex is the same. As long as you think of God, there is always sex in its shadow,” says U.G. I now understand the value of this saying. But in those days I was very confused. “Why am I so deluding myself? The mind which freed itself from so many attractions, why is it pining so much for such a trifle? Is this a test? O Lord, please give me strength. Please get me out of this mire.” Just as I was praying thus, I felt that I was sinking deeper into the mire.

Some of the interesting passages taken from the article [Wikipedia] on Sri Ramakrishna are reproduced here:

The Bhairavi initiated Ramakrishna into Tantra. Tantrism focuses on the worship of shakti and the object of Tantric training is to transcend the barriers between the holy and unholy as a means of achieving liberation and to see all aspects of the natural world as manifestations of the divine shakti.

In 1866, Govinda Roy, a Hindu guru who practiced Sufism, initiated Ramakrishna into Islam. Ramakrishna said that he “devoutly repeated the name of Allah, wore a cloth like the Arab Moslems, said their prayer five times daily, and felt disinclined even to see images of the Hindu gods and goddesses, much less worship them—for the Hindu way of thinking had disappeared altogether from my mind.” According to Ramakrishna, after three days of practice he had a vision of a “radiant personage with grave countenance and white beard resembling the Prophet and merging with his body”.

At the end of 1873 he started the practice of Christianity, when his devotee Shambu Charan Mallik read the Bible to him. Ramakrishna said that for several days he was filled with Christian thoughts and no longer thought of going to the Kali temple. According to Ramakrishna, one day when he saw the picture of Madonna and Child Jesus, he felt that the figures became alive and had a vision in which Jesus merged with his body. In his own room amongst other divine pictures was one of Christ, and he burnt incense before it morning and evening. There was also a picture showing Jesus Christ saving St Peter from drowning in the water.

According to Malcolm Mclean, the principal source for Ramakrishna’s teaching is Mahendranath Gupta’s ‘sri-sri-ramakrisna-kathamrita’. Kripal calls it “the central text of the tradition”. The text was published in five volumes from 1902 to 1932. Based on Gupta’s diary notes, each of the five volumes purports to document Ramakrishna’s life from 1882–1886.

The main translation of the Kathamrita is The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna by Swami Nikhilananda. Nikhilananda’s translation rearranged the scenes in the five volumes of the Kathamrita into a linear sequence. Malcolm Mclean and Jeffrey Kripal argue that the translation is unreliable. Philosopher Lex Hixon writes that the Gospel is “spiritually authentic” and “powerful rendering of the Kathamrita”

Ramakrishna’s explicitly sexual language shocked 19th-century Westerners, even scholars Max Müller who were otherwise his admirers. Müller wrote that his language was at times “abominably filthy”. He admitted however that such direct speech was natural to contemporary hindus, “where certain classes of men walk stark naked”, and should not be considered intentional filthiness or obscenity. Citing examples of classical poems like Bhartrihari, the Bible, Homer, and Shakespeare, Müller felt that few of the sayings would have to be bowdlerized.

Many great thinkers including Max Müller, Mahatma Gandhi, Jawaharlal Nehru, Sri Aurobindo, and Leo Tolstoy have acknowledged Ramakrishna’s contribution to humanity. Ramakrishna’s influence is also seen in the works of artists such as Franz Dvorak (1862–1927) and Philip Glass.

Indologist Heinrich Zimmer was the first Western scholar to interpret Ramakrishna’s worship of the Divine Mother as containing specifically Tantric elements. Neeval also argued that tantra played a main role in Ramakrishna’s spiritual development.

Philosopher Lex Hixon writes Ramakrishna was an Advaita Vedantin. Postcolonial literary theorist Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak wrote that Ramakrishna was a “Bengali bhakta visionary” and that as a bhakta, “he turned chiefly towards Kali.” Amiya P.Sen writes that “it is really difficult to separate the Tantrik Ramakrishna from the Vedantic”, since Vedanta and Tantra “may appear to be differ in some respects”, but they also “share some important postulates between them”.

The dialogue between psychoanalysis and Ramakrishna began in 1927 when Sigmund Freud’s friend Romain Rolland wrote to him that he should consider spiritual experiences, or “the oceanic feeling,” in his psychological works. Romain Rolland described the mystical states achieved by Ramakrishna and other mystics as an “‘oceanic’ sentiment,” one which Rolland had also experienced. Rolland believed that the universal human religious emotion resembled this “oceanic sense.” In his 1929 book La vie de Ramakrishna, Rolland distinguished between the feelings of unity and eternity which Ramakrishna experienced in his mystical states and Ramakrishna’s interpretation of those feelings as the goddess Kali.

Christopher Isherwood who wrote the book Ramakrishna and his Disciples (1965) said in a late interview,”Ramakrishna was completely simple and guileless. He told people whatever came into his mind, like a child. If he had ever been troubled by homosexual desires, if that had ever been a problem he’d have told everybody about them.(…) His thoughts transcended physical love-making. He saw even the mating of two dogs on the street as an expression of the eternal male-female principle in the universe. I think that is always a sign of great spiritual enlightenment.”

Some scholars of Indian religion, including Narasingha Sil, Jeffrey Kripal, and Sudhir Kakar, analyze Ramakrishna’s mysticism and religious practices using psychoanalysis, arguing that his mystical visions, refusal to comply with ritual copulation in Tantra, Madhura Bhava, criticism of Kamini-Kanchana (women and gold) reflects homosexuality.

Jeffrey Kripal’s controversial Kali’s Child: The Mystical and the Erotic in the Life and Teachings of Ramakrishna (1995) argued that Ramakrishna rejected Advaita Vedanta in favor of Shakti Tantra. In this psychoanalytic study of Ramakrishna’s life, Kripal argued that Ramakrishna’s mystical experiences were symptoms of repressed homoeroticism.

Other scholars and psychoanalysts including Romain Rolland, Alan Roland, Kelly Aan Raab, Somnath Bhattacharyya, J.S. Hawley and Gayatri Chakravorty Spivak argue that psychoanalysis is unreliable and Ramakrishna’s religious practices were in line with Bengali tradition.

In his 1991 book The Analyst and the Mystic, Indian psychoanalyst Sudhir Kakar saw in Ramakrishna’s visions a spontaneous capacity for creative experiencing. Kakar also argued that culturally relative concepts of eroticism and gender have contributed to the Western difficulty in comprehending Ramakrishna. Kakar saw Ramakrishna’s seemingly bizarre acts as part of a bhakti path to God.

 


Matthew is in India on his UG Documentary Film Mission

December 12, 2009

We may remember that our friend Ikuru not long ago did mention elsewhere in the pages here about Matthew Dougherty’s adventurous project of creating a unique documentary film on U.G. Krishnamurti.

It is really amazing that a young guy, hardly 26 years of age, Matthew Dougherty who supposed to be peddling the Matthew Dougherty in Bangalorebest pleasures of life elsewhere in some other worldly luxury way, has taken up the mission of clicking a unique documentary film on UG. What attracted this guy to go for a ‘useless guy’ called UG is still a mystery. He started working on this project in September 2008. He has already visited the crucial places and people both in the US and Europe, in gathering and churning the UG essence and scenes. Looking at the zeal and the professional commitment and passion, and also the meticulous search and research that Mathew has been putting in, one can easily assume that this documentary on UG is going to be a unique as well as a well researched one towards spreading the UG ‘message of no-message’ to the world.

As scheduled, Matthew is already in India visitingAbout
Mr. MATTHEW DOUGHERTY:
New York based filmmaker Matthew Dougherty graduated from the New School University with a degree in philosophy. Matthew has contributed to numerous documentaries with an international scope as an Editor, Composer and Cameraman. Projects of note include MardiGras: Made in China which garnered over 30 awards and competed at The Sundance Film Festival; and the 2007 Danish documentary, The Battle for Rabbittown which has screened at some of Europe’s most prestigious film festivals. Matthew has directed many of his own short films and continues to work as a freelance editor and producer in New York City.
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the UG connected places and people and also sacred shrines and organizations on a shooting spree to have a first hand feel of the spiritual quest and UG ripples. He has already interacted with many people who literally rubbed their shoulders with UG when he was alive. Who is this UG? What is his message or no-message for the humanity? In a sense is it that UG points out very clearly how all our so called respected religions, sermons, and systems have just turned out to be a part of the ‘lies manufacturing industry’ (LMI). UG’s words quite often reveal the redundancy of our spiritual industry as well as science industry on many fronts in direct face to the ‘life force’. UG’s most simple straight stroke in all his ‘unholy sermons’ is that it is the ‘culture-knowledge debris’ that is censoring all our actions or perceptions and in the process the natural man is lost long back to the extreme extent of no return.

Matthew has already met and interacted with Mahesh Bhatt in Mumbai. Mahesh Bhatt recognizes the ‘rightly focused eye’ in Matthew in creating this unique documentary film on UG and has showered all praises for this guy. Mahesh senses that Matthew knows his ‘business’ well, in terms of getting into the sense and essence of UG. Mathew has also met Mr. Subhash Birla, an admirer and close associate of UG, and a Lawyer, Supreme Court of India, in New Delhi, among many people.

Now Matthew is in Bangalore at Mr. Chandrasekhar’s residence. Who else Mr. Matthew with Mr. Chandrasekhar and Mrs. Suguna, Bangalorecould be a better first hand resource person other than Mr. Chandrasekhar? So finally Matthew has ‘come home’ on this UG documentary mission with his encounter with Mr. Chandrasekhar and Mrs. Suguna – a perfect host couple to UG in Bangalore; and this was a small clean residence where UG stayed and chatted the most unholy sermons with the people gathered around him there, whenever Mr Matthew with Mr Jayarama Reddy, Bangalore, at Chandrasekhar's place.he made a visit to India. He never opted for a bigger palatial luxury bungalow. So now Matthew is busy interacting with many people here in Bangalore and gathering stories and sequences pertaining to UG. It’s his first visit to India; Matthew plans to be here in India till March 2010. He is fascinated by Ramana Maharshi and his teachings as well. He plans to visit Tamil Nadu and Kerala next; he has already covered the northern part of India.

We congratulate and wish all success to this adventurous guy, Mr Matthew Dougherty and his entire team, in creating and clicking this unique documentary film on UG. Hope it’ll be out by the end of 2010 to watch. It is really a thrill as well as a challenge to capture the real UG in a 90 minutes reel, indeed. It is more so because, UG may not easily fit into any story or system to capture him.

Here is a small glimpse of this forthcoming documentary film on UG by Matthew, accessible on YouTube link:

Contact Details:
Matthew Dougherty
Email: Matthew_Dougherty@yahoo.com
cell: 1 (917) 848-6254

Also Contact:
K. Chandrasekhar Babu
Email: sekharsug@yahoo.com


A Lone Flower in the Kashmir Valley of Violence

August 20, 2009

Along with friends I recently (in the first week of Aug 2009)Amarnath Cave made a trip to Kashmir valley thanks to Amarnath yatra. The whole world knows the grandeur and wonder of this nature’s snow valley. It was a hot summer there, but the valley down there flowing with the whitest water and splendour gave a cooling breeze to my eyes and senses. Pray to PeaceMy emphasis here is not to write about the good old splendour and beauty of the snow-clad hills and flowing valleys there, but the mundane daily life of the people there in the context of the highly hyped terrorist blot between Pakistan and India. We deliberately interacted with the people in the street and also with Infinite flow of lifethe army personnel deployed at strategic points there. Everybody expresses friendship, love and harmony there. We spent two chilling nights as guests in the Army head quarters, thanks to one of our friends’ proximity with some staff there. Everywhere it’s the breeze of friendship and life. “Kashmir Valley knows only harmony, but Pakistan and India play only dushmani.”True human nature unfolded everywhere: Muslims or Hindus, people move and mingle beyond the barriers or borders of religions or rituals there. People are interested in their life and business, never in the dirty politics or rhetoric. They are interested in their daily bread and butter, better life style, and it has less to do with colours, religions or sermons. We visited both the Hindu and Muslim shrines there and paid our respects. Even though one of Lidder Valley Pahalgamour friends belonged to the traditional pious Kashmiri Pandit family, we have had no qualms about the labels and religions. In fact this friend has had lost his father’s own house in Srinagar, as it was sold way back in 1990s under the compelled circumstances.

On this occasionTerrorist Acts our friend made it a point to visit his old sold home in Srinagar. We accompanied him on this historic emotional revisit, that too after a gap or lapse of almost over twenty years. The whole lane there was being guarded by the police personnel for Kasmir Valley for Peacesecurity reasons. It was his father’s house, where he had grown up. Finally he located it – front gate closed with high walls. The new name of the house read, “786 Noor Manzil”. It is now owned by an equally pious cultured Muslim family. Our friend’s father was a highly admired personality in the entire area there, loved by all the people there beyond religions or community labels. Even though there was a shade or veil of fear or suspicion in the thin air up, a young lady opened the door and welcomed our friend inside along with us. Our ConnectionOur friend recollects: the same good old big house, the only change that now it is painted with different color. The new owner of the house has had known our friend’s father, and he along with his pious wife started connecting the things well and a whole saga of communication and communion surged there to the pleasant surprise, emotional bond and happiness of our Kashmiri Pandit friend and all of us there. On hearing the arrival of our friend there, many neighbours and Muslim friends came there from the backyard; when the Muslim men and women hugged our friend in a bond of love, we saw there not an iota of religion, but just life and its force in its purest form. An unforgettable event of get together there. The whole family members sat with us on the floor in full reverence in the living room and served us the high tea snacks. There was no religion in it but the natural human communion. Our friend’s gesture of lifting a small kid there up and kissing was a scene of transcending the manmade barriers of hate and discriminations. Love knows no religions. To the surprise of all of us, our Muslim friend gave rather Flag Pridereturned a book, ‘The Gita’ (Urdu version) to our friend as parting gift. I could sense the moist in the eyes of our friend while receiving back this holy gift from the Muslim brethren. Our friend’s father has had this Gita book left in this house, incidentally. Our Muslim friend – the newly occupied house owner – preserved this holy book all these years with all reverence, only waiting to be safe returned to the right owner and finally now it reached the right hands. What a best example of mutual trust, respect and tolerance of human nature in its finest color and flavour, indeed. It may appear to be a small stray incident, but this is a miniature of true innate human nature that may naturally unfold in all human beings, irrespective of our religious or otherwise affiliations.

Perhaps, the isolatedWhitest flow of Water terrorist and extremist acts, however systematized it may appear to be, should never be equated with the will and wisdom of the people on the street there. The high towering Himalayan mountains stand there as a monumental but mute testimony to the saga of human consciousness and freedom infinite. The infinitely sequenced white snow clad Kashmir hills and valleys Can Manmohan and Obama Balm or Bomb it?flowing down with the purest whitest water in its fullest grandeur and splendour there may affirm a hundred times the ‘life force’ that knows nothing of hate or love. If we fail to sense it and indulge in petty ‘our water our soil’ quarrel, then the existence will never excuse us, it’s just self suicidal to all of us. Both Pakistan and India need to mend and end their ‘hatred and bloodshed’ game for the new young generations and our children to come. The water flowing down the Kashmir valley is so sacred that it’s inhuman to convert into bloodshed.

I asked my Kashmiri Pandit friend, Coexistence“Do you see in a near future any once for all solution coming to this Kashmir land fight between Pakistan and India?” I could see only his tearful eyes as he whispered, “May be we may not be there to see the solution. May be in fifty years time there may come a solution once for all.”

Related Readings:
Kashmiri Pandit [wikipedia.org]
Are the Kashmiri Pundits abandoned Dregs & Derelicts? [boloji.com]
Shri Amarnath Ji Yatra [amarnathyatra.org]
Amarnath temple [wikipedia.org]
Kashmir [wikipedia.org]
Jammu and Kashmir [jktourism.org]
Tourist Paradise: Jammu and Kahsmir [jammukashmir.nic.in]
Himalayan affairs [himalayanaffairs.org]
Indo-Pak Joint Signature Campaign Against War and Terrorism [petitiononlie.com]
Indo-Pak vs Terrorism? [ibnlive.in.cm]


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